Well the reason you cannot get a TS3 widget is because according to the wowstead Dev team they require you to install something on the server side which seems dodgy to me since tsviewer can generate the code just fine to show you your TS server and all its rooms just like the vent widget does. Tsviewer even does this without the need to install anything.
It seems to be more a case of wowstead doesn't provide the ability to buy a ts server through them so they can't be bothered to enable that functionality for there client base that does use it
Quote from Shellshock»Well the reason you cannot get a TS3 widget is because according to the wowstead Dev team they require you to install something on the server side which seems dodgy to me since tsviewer can generate the code just fine to show you your TS server and all its rooms just like the vent widget does. Tsviewer even does this without the need to install anything.
If you read Shankill's post above, you CAN add TS to a custom widget, as long as you don't use iframe or JavaScript, both of which are considered security risks on the site. And we have talked about providing TS and/or Mumble servers. It may be something we offer in the future.
Quote from Shellshock»It seems to be more a case of wowstead doesn't provide the ability to buy a ts server through them so they can't be bothered to enable that functionality for there client base that does use it
FYI - we do provide a Mumble widget, even though we don't provide a Mumble service, so that argument doesn't really hold.
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well a year back you guys said the same so why not just come out and say it won't happen? I read the other posts asking for this functionality and read the replies to that and yeah your reasoning behind why we cant have it is flawed.
My statement is regarding TS not mumble so it is as valid as it comes. I can garentee you that if you had ts servers available there would be a built in widget for it regardless of what you might want to say.
Your statement is that since you can't by TS from us we don't support it. But we only have vent option for our CurseVoice and there are 3 major gaming VoIPs out there: Vent, TS and Mumble. You can't buy Mumble from our CurseVoice either, but if the Mumble host supplies the JSON you can use the built in widget for Mumble. It's the same issue with TS. Most TS servers, from hosting companines, don't support the protocol we need. Same thing goes for any mumble server host that doesn't supply a proper JSON. Same thing goes for Vent servers that don't allow the information to be sent to a 3rd party when pingged.
Yes, good chance if we offered our own TS servers we could have a built in widget because we could support the protocol required. However, there's a good chance it still wouldn't work for 3rd party hosts and only for the servers we provided.
well a year back you guys said the same so why not just come out and say it won't happen?
So you want us to lie? As many of us are aware technology doesn't stand still. It is ever evolving. And our developement team is also ever changing and learning new and more stuff daily. So just because a year ago we were unable to doesn't mean in 3 months we won't be able to.
And yes, we do have the option for TS, and it has been something our team has worked on, however, it was way too complicated for a majoirty users to set up. It's not about if it works, but it's if the LCD can get it to work. What you and I may think is easy to understand and do others may not. So it was not released. This however, doesn't mean that with things changing that we don't revisit modules to see if things have changed or if there is a possible new option out there. We won't be revisiting it prior to the new codebase launch though.
I read the other posts asking for this functionality and read the replies to that and yeah your reasoning behind why we cant have it is flawed.
Maybe you would like to share with our developers on how they can get TS widget to be working for any user on the system with a built in widget like the vent and mumble one. I am sure they would love to hear any options you may have as they may not have thought of them. Could help speed up getting a module out.
well a year back you guys said the same so why not just come out and say it won't happen? I read the other posts asking for this functionality and read the replies to that and yeah your reasoning behind why we cant have it is flawed.
We aren't going to say it won't happen because that is not the intent, we would like to provide it at some point. There is a lot more to doing that than you may think and everything has different levels of priority. At the moment, that is not a top priority. I am sure you have heard about the upcoming codebase update - that is the current priority.
And, once again, you can create your own widget for it, you just need to have it in the proper format for what isallowed on WowStead. We offer the Mumble widget, but you cannot use it unless you provide the proper information (JSON) that works on our site. Same thing for vent, no matter if CurseVoice is the provider or not. If the *3rd party* host does not provide information in the format we need, we don't support it.
My statement is regarding TS not mumble so it is as valid as it comes. I can garentee you that if you had ts servers available there would be a built in widget for it regardless of what you might want to say.
Your point: if WowStead doesn't provide the service, then WowStead won't provide the widget.
My points:
1) WowStead doesn't provide Mumble service, yet WowStead provides a widget for it. Same thing for vent - WowStead has a widget for it, whether CurseVoice or not, and offered it even before the CurseVoice option.
2) Format not supported by WowStead = service/widget not supported or provided. If you want to use TS on this site, then you should probably talk to the TS people to get the data in a format that is compatible.
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Well the quick and easy answer (that your not going to accept) that realy anybody is able to do is to add an exception to allow javascript from commsviewer.com or tsviewer.com or iframe. By only allowing JSON makes life unnecessary difficult for people using TS
Hosting sites will not add this protocol if they don't have it enabled already
You mean the one that I read almost 2 months ago that says iframes should now be working....still waiting to see that one though
Altough Id be happy to see this come live as it would solve the problem, but then again iframe isnt something that everyone knows how to do...most sites generate javascript
Okay so just read the last 2 pages of comments. I will be patiently waiting on the 1st week in sept then.
On a very unrelated friendly side note to Zaralin in "business" its considered good practice to refer to the masses as clients and not users even in the IT industry. Even though they use the site they are still wowstead's client base.
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On a very unrelated friendly side note to Zaralin in "business" its considered good practice to refer to the masses as clients and not users even in the IT industry. Even though they use the site they are still wowstead's client base.
Less concerned about semantics than providing the best we can - User Experience, User Interface, etc. Certainly no offense was intended.
~ Z ~
aka Smart Ass Extraordinaire and Self-Proclaimed Guild Zen Master (yes, I have Delusions of Grandeur) Check out my blog about guilds and guild leadership at Z's Zen
I did not say you were offensive. I was merely pointing out that it’s better to call someone a client and not a user.
Lets keep this simple shall we. From an individual stand point I am a user but from a business side I am a client. It would be the same if I said I went to a gas station to fill up my car. I am a gas station user, but they do not refer to me as that to them I am a client as I am using the service that they provide. Now in the ICT sector it is no different for example when you buy a book from Amazon are you an Amazon user or are you there client? Amazon will no doubt refer to you as a client
But this is not the place for this I was merely trying to help you provide better Customer Support, Customer Service or in your case I assume you talk about user support and user services. Should you want to talk about this in detail feel free to sent me a PM.
Here is the philosophy behind why WowStead chooses to refer to "Users" instead of "Clients":
1) As with customer, client refers to an individual who pays for a service and/or product. A very small percentage of the people that use WowStead actually pay for what they are using. We have Free and Premium sites, but out of those Premium site only 1 - 3 members on average of an entire guild helps pay for the service. Blizzard tends to choose the use of customer over client , however Blizzard knows that the individual is (or has been) a paying customer and not just a consumer. So neither term properly refers to the majority of WowStead.
2) A major reason is that client also refers to an application or system that accesses a service made available by a server. We have several clients we work with on WowStead. The Curse Client and the Vent Client are two examples. To help prevent confusion, we do not refer to the users as clients.
3) We have people that speak multiple langauages here. Using a common term most are familiar with, and that we all use in a similar fashion, helps prevent more confusion for indviduals that are ESL. We also don't want to be constantly interchanging the three terms that do have different meanings. A user refers to a final user of a commercial product or service, which covers all people who use WowStead.
aka Smart Ass Extraordinaire and Self-Proclaimed Guild Zen Master (yes, I have Delusions of Grandeur) Check out my blog about guilds and guild leadership at Z's Zen
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Is it possible to have any teamspeak VoIP widget ?
You can as long as it's not iFrame or JavaScript.
Never trust an honest goblin or a sober dwarf.
may i ask why you dont support iFrame ??? you can get really cool widget for ts3
~ Z ~
aka Smart Ass Extraordinaire and Self-Proclaimed Guild Zen Master (yes, I have Delusions of Grandeur)
Check out my blog about guilds and guild leadership at Z's Zen
well a year back you guys said the same so why not just come out and say it won't happen? I read the other posts asking for this functionality and read the replies to that and yeah your reasoning behind why we cant have it is flawed.
My statement is regarding TS not mumble so it is as valid as it comes. I can garentee you that if you had ts servers available there would be a built in widget for it regardless of what you might want to say.
Your statement is that since you can't by TS from us we don't support it. But we only have vent option for our CurseVoice and there are 3 major gaming VoIPs out there: Vent, TS and Mumble. You can't buy Mumble from our CurseVoice either, but if the Mumble host supplies the JSON you can use the built in widget for Mumble. It's the same issue with TS. Most TS servers, from hosting companines, don't support the protocol we need. Same thing goes for any mumble server host that doesn't supply a proper JSON. Same thing goes for Vent servers that don't allow the information to be sent to a 3rd party when pingged.
Yes, good chance if we offered our own TS servers we could have a built in widget because we could support the protocol required. However, there's a good chance it still wouldn't work for 3rd party hosts and only for the servers we provided.
So you want us to lie? As many of us are aware technology doesn't stand still. It is ever evolving. And our developement team is also ever changing and learning new and more stuff daily. So just because a year ago we were unable to doesn't mean in 3 months we won't be able to.
And yes, we do have the option for TS, and it has been something our team has worked on, however, it was way too complicated for a majoirty users to set up. It's not about if it works, but it's if the LCD can get it to work. What you and I may think is easy to understand and do others may not. So it was not released. This however, doesn't mean that with things changing that we don't revisit modules to see if things have changed or if there is a possible new option out there. We won't be revisiting it prior to the new codebase launch though.
Maybe you would like to share with our developers on how they can get TS widget to be working for any user on the system with a built in widget like the vent and mumble one. I am sure they would love to hear any options you may have as they may not have thought of them. Could help speed up getting a module out.
Never trust an honest goblin or a sober dwarf.
We aren't going to say it won't happen because that is not the intent, we would like to provide it at some point. There is a lot more to doing that than you may think and everything has different levels of priority. At the moment, that is not a top priority. I am sure you have heard about the upcoming codebase update - that is the current priority.
And, once again, you can create your own widget for it, you just need to have it in the proper format for what isallowed on WowStead. We offer the Mumble widget, but you cannot use it unless you provide the proper information (JSON) that works on our site. Same thing for vent, no matter if CurseVoice is the provider or not. If the *3rd party* host does not provide information in the format we need, we don't support it.
Your point: if WowStead doesn't provide the service, then WowStead won't provide the widget.My points:
1) WowStead doesn't provide Mumble service, yet WowStead provides a widget for it. Same thing for vent - WowStead has a widget for it, whether CurseVoice or not, and offered it even before the CurseVoice option.
2) Format not supported by WowStead = service/widget not supported or provided. If you want to use TS on this site, then you should probably talk to the TS people to get the data in a format that is compatible.
~ Z ~
aka Smart Ass Extraordinaire and Self-Proclaimed Guild Zen Master (yes, I have Delusions of Grandeur)
Check out my blog about guilds and guild leadership at Z's Zen
Well the quick and easy answer (that your not going to accept) that realy anybody is able to do is to add an exception to allow javascript from commsviewer.com or tsviewer.com or iframe. By only allowing JSON makes life unnecessary difficult for people using TS
Hosting sites will not add this protocol if they don't have it enabled already
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*Cough* Read through the Patch Notes *Cough*
Never trust an honest goblin or a sober dwarf.
You mean the one that I read almost 2 months ago that says iframes should now be working....still waiting to see that one though
Altough Id be happy to see this come live as it would solve the problem, but then again iframe isnt something that everyone knows how to do...most sites generate javascript
Okay so just read the last 2 pages of comments. I will be patiently waiting on the 1st week in sept then.
On a very unrelated friendly side note to Zaralin in "business" its considered good practice to refer to the masses as clients and not users even in the IT industry. Even though they use the site they are still wowstead's client base.
I guess it depends on your perspective - Facebook User, Twitter User, etc.
Less concerned about semantics than providing the best we can - User Experience, User Interface, etc. Certainly no offense was intended.
~ Z ~
aka Smart Ass Extraordinaire and Self-Proclaimed Guild Zen Master (yes, I have Delusions of Grandeur)
Check out my blog about guilds and guild leadership at Z's Zen
I did not say you were offensive. I was merely pointing out that it’s better to call someone a client and not a user.
Lets keep this simple shall we. From an individual stand point I am a user but from a business side I am a client. It would be the same if I said I went to a gas station to fill up my car. I am a gas station user, but they do not refer to me as that to them I am a client as I am using the service that they provide. Now in the ICT sector it is no different for example when you buy a book from Amazon are you an Amazon user or are you there client? Amazon will no doubt refer to you as a client
But this is not the place for this I was merely trying to help you provide better Customer Support, Customer Service or in your case I assume you talk about user support and user services. Should you want to talk about this in detail feel free to sent me a PM.
kind regards,
Here is the philosophy behind why WowStead chooses to refer to "Users" instead of "Clients":
1) As with customer, client refers to an individual who pays for a service and/or product. A very small percentage of the people that use WowStead actually pay for what they are using. We have Free and Premium sites, but out of those Premium site only 1 - 3 members on average of an entire guild helps pay for the service. Blizzard tends to choose the use of customer over client , however Blizzard knows that the individual is (or has been) a paying customer and not just a consumer. So neither term properly refers to the majority of WowStead.
2) A major reason is that client also refers to an application or system that accesses a service made available by a server. We have several clients we work with on WowStead. The Curse Client and the Vent Client are two examples. To help prevent confusion, we do not refer to the users as clients.
3) We have people that speak multiple langauages here. Using a common term most are familiar with, and that we all use in a similar fashion, helps prevent more confusion for indviduals that are ESL. We also don't want to be constantly interchanging the three terms that do have different meanings. A user refers to a final user of a commercial product or service, which covers all people who use WowStead.
~ Z ~
aka Smart Ass Extraordinaire and Self-Proclaimed Guild Zen Master (yes, I have Delusions of Grandeur)
Check out my blog about guilds and guild leadership at Z's Zen